tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post1132420251366977976..comments2024-01-27T04:41:59.604-08:00Comments on The Contemporary Condition: Hyperobjects and the End of Common SenseJairus Victor Grovehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15030715466285389226noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-63455671816384009772012-07-14T00:48:06.451-07:002012-07-14T00:48:06.451-07:00Is the Long Now Clock (http://longnow.org/clock/) ...Is the Long Now Clock (http://longnow.org/clock/) a hyperobject? It's designed to run for 10,000 years, so it's certainly persistent, but it's designed as much to stretch our human thinking as it is to last. I agree with GB, above, in that an "object" is a human distinction. Anything that could be considered a "hyper" object is really and enduring process. Even Einstein said that it was all done with energy fields, or you could say, with smoke and mirrors, illusions, albeit persistent ones. "Hyper-processes" perhaps. Is a star a hyper-object because it lasts billions of years? It, too, is a process, constantly changing energetic fields at work, and they, too, go through birth, adolescence, maturity, old age, and supernova death. It is thought that makes it so....Lion Goodmanhttp://www.luminaryleadership.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-62755658621356149752011-09-05T03:57:12.770-07:002011-09-05T03:57:12.770-07:00Just talking with Joseph Nechtaval about your hype...Just talking with Joseph Nechtaval about your hyperobjects (he thinks about hyperlinks and multiple links) and would like the term persistent objects. I think that would mean misunderstanding hyperobjects,as you certainly think about over/above (Greek) - so are your hyperobjects as I suggested to Nechtaval like Pacman, hungry ueber-objects. And as I had to bring hyperreality in the sense of Baudriallard in (simulacra stuff, etc.) so certainly hyperreality is a hyperobject, too. Or?Gudrun Bielzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16918313565502873168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-5652265001494416002011-07-07T04:42:57.770-07:002011-07-07T04:42:57.770-07:00Collingwood talks of things (objects processes, re...Collingwood talks of things (objects processes, relations all are bad metaphors) having a minimum duration to manifest their qualities or features. He did this in "The idea of Nature" 60 years or so ago. What does "Hyper-objects" add to this, and why use the word "object". The way that materia overflows the sign does not at all lend itself to a notion of objects.Daniel Taghioffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14038412442266639425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-14086522686804044902010-10-13T20:44:52.868-07:002010-10-13T20:44:52.868-07:00I still hold faith in nuclear as a great energy so...I still hold faith in nuclear as a great energy source. The problem lies within what I call the "human factor". Humans have the capability to fuck up a wet dream.<br /><br />We are too irresponsible/dumb to harness such great and wonderful technology. Instead, we want to use it to harm ourselves instead of having it to solve our common everyday problems.Thumper235https://www.blogger.com/profile/00064343101249490923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-84467100912190889222010-04-21T10:56:53.666-07:002010-04-21T10:56:53.666-07:00I think the hyperobject is a promising and provoca...I think the hyperobject is a promising and provocative concept, but its parameters still aren't entirely clear to me here. Kvond's comment is clarifying--that what makes a hyperobject is not strictly its sublimity (stretching/transcending our human-scaled ideas of time and space) but more specifically that it is an ineffable-yet-empirical (empirically ineffable?) object (if we can call global warming an object) to which we must nonetheless forge some kind of instrumental relationship even though in its material complexity or longevity it defies conceptual mastery. But of course, global warming seems itself a symptom of our generalized failure to adequately anticipate the consequences of our object-relations, or better, it seems to indicate the hyperobjecthood of things--fossil fuels, big macs, coal plants--that we were never tempted to mistake for sublime. It would seem that an ecological thought might involve not circumscribing certain objects as particularly difficult to understand and anticipate, but to recognize this predicament as a feature of our relations with all objects.... ?Cristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303239914867096460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-24327699396332283382010-04-16T14:56:48.473-07:002010-04-16T14:56:48.473-07:00Seth, yes, Neitzsche would have us say that the hy...Seth, yes, Neitzsche would have us say that the hyperobject itself is a convenient "truth"/lie. Unfortunately this is not Tim's point, as the hyperobject seems to be a hybrid object: one that because of our inherent relationship to it as actors that have help create it constitutes it as an ethical object, at the same time it is a real object whose super-human scales make it something only Science can accurately assess. It is a kind of ethico-science object.<br /><br />http://mitochondrialvertigo.wordpress.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-84996408249420733922010-03-31T11:29:17.381-07:002010-03-31T11:29:17.381-07:00What do you think of Nietzche's allegory at th...What do you think of Nietzche's allegory at the beginning of "On Truth and Lie in an Extra-Moral Sense" as an invocation of the hyperobject? From his perspective, we often ignore the hyperobject when it is convenient for our self-understanding. Perhaps in our (we moderns) quaking fear before the ancient hyperobjects, we strive to create our own objects that can eclipse those sublime but terrifying objects that were here before us.Seth Forresthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02167984920524227040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-85253339053167970472010-03-21T07:12:25.475-07:002010-03-21T07:12:25.475-07:00Perhaps another difference would be that God is lo...Perhaps another difference would be that God is located in a beyond (hyper in that sense, yes)—but this beyond gives meaning to what we have over here. “Yonder” is the background for “hither.” The ontological threat of global warming and radiation is that they collapse the distinction between “over there” and “over here.” <br /><br />By the way—I love your book on loneliness. There is a kind of compulsory extraversion in contemporary ideology (environmentalism too).Timothy Mortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05067377804366363020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-53636371403313188952010-03-20T22:22:09.969-07:002010-03-20T22:22:09.969-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Timothy Mortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05067377804366363020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-82267571452546808002010-03-20T13:11:10.711-07:002010-03-20T13:11:10.711-07:00I'm not sure whether hyperobjects have a histo...I'm not sure whether hyperobjects have a history yet. At present I'm seeing them as unique to our moment—which is why they're so hard to understand. The other issue is that they aren't organizing categories of thinking or memes or whatever you want. Like, you don't have to believe in plutonium the same way you have to believe in Man or God.Timothy Mortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05067377804366363020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6056235652294517694.post-89855517194566128042010-03-19T10:29:34.045-07:002010-03-19T10:29:34.045-07:00One: The opening reference to David Byrnes reminds...One: The opening reference to David Byrnes reminds me of a slightly less subtle, but still potent, line by Todd Rundren. "I think I could make the world peaceful and calm/if I could just get my hands on a hydrogen bomb."<br /><br />Two: To imagine a history of hyper-objects -- not that you do so -- would suggest more originary hyperobjects, and these, I imagine, would be something like the concept of "God" and then "man." I wonder what other candidates for this category might be?Thomas Dummnoreply@blogger.com